Scheduling...

[lucky81698]

Kristie,

At XJT the min guarantee is there but you can still drop trips to get your line down to 60 hours a month. If you drop trips you do not still get paid the min guarantee, you get paid what you fly. They will only allow drops if they have enough reserve coverage. 100 hours a month is the FAA limit per month.

[roz]

I agree Sarah--this is a great thread!

Well, Charlie's airline has a 72 hour minimum. They all exceed it.

You can fly up to 100 hours per month per the FAA rules. Jan outlined the specific breakdowns in her message quite well!

Doug is right: ìbecause whose going to pay you 65 hrs for 20 hrs of work?î--that's what United did and US Airways, etc. See where they are now!

In 1994 I was on a US Air 767 flight from SEA to Pit to PHL. My dad had just died. I stayed on the plane after landing in PIT. A new Capt boarded the plane. He didn't know or care that I was there. He was complaining a lot. He said he was #2 in the seniority list and was being forced to fly this flight to PHL and on to Paris to remain current. He had his own side business at his home in PIT to run and resented this intrusion in his life. But then he went on to remind everyone that it cost the company $60,000 to train him if he didn't remain current.

So he was able to manipulate his schedule so that he never had to fly! Then he had an attitude about it! I wanted to beat the crap out of him.

[Kristie]

ok, so if i'm correct Jan.. your saying the min guarantee is if you don't get a line that totals 60 hrs -> then you still get paid for the 60 total hours even though you didn't fly them?

and if you drop a trip, the min guarantee doesn't apply.

hmmm.. i thought the FAA max was 85...again, learned something new! haha

DAL is the same way where they won't allow drops unless they have enough reserve to fill in.

geez.. that capt has it all and he still complains - how sad is that?!

[roz]

Yup, if you didn't get a line that meets minimum, you would still get paid minimum. Believe me, only a few foolish airlines did that! The rest built lines to meet the minimums!

Yes, if you drop a trip, the minimum doesn't apply. For example, DH's line this month is built to minimum. But they need to drop a pairing due to time out issues. That means he still gets his minimum. But if he tries to drop anything this month, he would lose. Of course if he gets junior manned on his one reserve day (a likely possibility), he gets free hotel plus overtime.

I hope by now--11 years later, that that captain is long gone! And I hope the likes of him are long gone!

[MQAAord]

The feds don't allow more than 100 hours a month, but not more than a total of 1000 hours in a year. So if you really don't want to fly on Christmas, bust your butt and get your 1000 in before Dec 25!

Difficult to do, but I know guys who've done it!

[lucky81698]

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Kristie said:
ok, so if i'm correct Jan.. your saying the min guarantee is if you don't get a line that totals 60 hrs -> then you still get paid for the 60 total hours even though you didn't fly them?

and if you drop a trip, the min guarantee doesn't apply.

hmmm.. i thought the FAA max was 85...again, learned something new! haha

DAL is the same way where they won't allow drops unless they have enough reserve to fill in.

geez.. that capt has it all and he still complains - how sad is that?!

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Kristie,

The min guarantee at XJT is 75 hours but you are allowed to trip trade or personal drop down to 60 hours. If you reduce your line in this way, you also reduce your paycheck!
If you are awarded a line that is scheduled for under the min guarantee (75 at XJT)you are still paid min guarantee. It is not his fault that the company built the lines that way! There are usually only a couple times when there are a few of those, like when mainline has a schedule change and cuts out alot of flights.

In the old contract they had, you were only able to trade a trip if the trip you were trading for was no more than 2.5 hours less than your original trip and you would still get paid min guarantee. Some guys figured out they could do this over and over again, end up with a line worth about 40 hours and then pick up trips on their "new" days off that went towards add pay. So they found a loophole in the sytem and used it! Hey the company would use any loophole they found! Of course with the new contract that loophole was closed!

Jan

[lucky81698]

Roz,

How do you get junior manned on a reserve day??? Everywhere I have worked, a pilot could only be junior manned on a day off. Of course if they do that they have to prove in writing (if you request) that they used every possible reserve before calling you.

Jan

[Kristie]

ok! got the whole scheduling thing down and it makes a lot more sense now! thanks ladies!! [img]images/graemlins/457.gif[/img]

Roz - how did Charlie get junior manned?? I thought he was holding a line and not sitting reserve??

DAL has to prove all the reserves are being used as well!

[roz]

Sorry--I apologize, it was late and a long day and I was confused! Charlie does hold a line, although a line can sometimes have a reserve day thrown in. He was talking about getting Junior Manned on a day off since they have so many trips open that day.

He did talk about another issue with a carry in problem for July. In their contract you have options on how to deal with carry in's. He chose option 3 which is any conflicts are on them--they get to do anything. But, in exchange, you are guaranteed your line value. But he forgot that he had a 30/7 problem. So they took the rest of his trip away and he doesn't work July 4th. So he now gets about 8 hours for no work. But now, he can't swap any other trip during the month because they it becomes a drop and add and he loses time.

I haven't figured it out yet either!

They added another of his beloved FiFi's to the fleet two days ago and he got to fly it brand spankin new. It even smelled like a new Bus, he said. Her name is The Spirit of Jamaica. Fortunately, the airline is 100% hedged for fuel, but they still can't wait to get rid of the gas guzzling MD 80's.

[lucky81698]

Carry in days/conflicts stink!