Interested on your political thoughts...

[Regina]

And, just to point out how i know about how some people feel about the abortion topic...because some have came right out and said it in other posts. For instance, awhile back, kristie said she was pro-choice and pointed out to someone that abortion was another option. So, yeah, it is obvious how she feels about this topic. I know how kristie feels on the topic, and i am not judging her for it. On the otherhand, she is not running for president, so quite frankly, i don't feel the need to critique her or anything about her views.

The only person that i said i didn't want to discuss politics with is my husband. And the reason being is that it does get heated. Yes, we are both the same party affiliation, and we both agree on the major issues, but, we do get into arguments about who to vote for, etc., because he thinks i will change my mind. i am very stubborn with my views, and he is about his, so we just decided not to talk about it.

Talk about politics or whatever subject you want on here; i really don't care. if you would personally like to attack me or my political views, moral views, etc. Some more, you are welcome to p.m. Me with more criticisms or whatever you would like to call them. Just seems to me you like to pull apart and twist around whatever i say. So, maybe since you like to do this, you would feel more comfortable doing it in private or possibly you like having an audience to twist my words?

[SeatClutcher]

Originally Posted by Regina

And, just to point out how i know about how some people feel about the abortion topic...because some have came right out and said it in other posts. For instance, awhile back, kristie said she was pro-choice and pointed out to someone that abortion was another option. So, yeah, it is obvious how she feels about this topic. I know how kristie feels on the topic, and i am not judging her for it. On the otherhand, she is not running for president, so quite frankly, i don't feel the need to critique her or anything about her views.

The only person that i said i didn't want to discuss politics with is my husband. And the reason being is that it does get heated. Yes, we are both the same party affiliation, and we both agree on the major issues, but, we do get into arguments about who to vote for, etc., because he thinks i will change my mind. i am very stubborn with my views, and he is about his, so we just decided not to talk about it.

Talk about politics or whatever subject you want on here; i really don't care. if you would personally like to attack me or my political views, moral views, etc. Some more, you are welcome to p.m. Me with more criticisms or whatever you would like to call them. Just seems to me you like to pull apart and twist around whatever i say. So, maybe since you like to do this, you would feel more comfortable doing it in private or possibly you like having an audience to twist my words?

are you talking to me when you say "you"?

I don't know where I pulled apart or twisted around something you said...You didn't say, outright, that the reason you know what people think about abortion is because they have posted what they think about abortion.

I understood you to say that you can tell people's political views based on posts they've made, generally...If I misunderstood what you said, it's because this is what you said:

Well, I could probably tell you from people's posts who is pro-choice or pro-life. I might be wrong about a few, but for the most part, it is obvious.

If you're wrong about a few, that means they aren't outright saying it, right? Or did I misunderstand what you meant by that?

Please show me how I twisted your words around.

And, again Regina, if you insist on accusing me of attacking you (and pretending to be in my head when you say I enjoy it), please show me where I did it. Repeating over and over "you like attacking me" isn't quite the same as showing me where I did it, and if I don't know what you perceive as an attack, I won't know how to be more careful with you.

If you would rather not be disagreed with, please say so.

[Regina]

Yes, it is quite obvious that I am refering to you. Looking back on past posts, I seem to be the target that you like to quote almost every sentence I use and "comment" on it. For instance, this post and the post about not liking a captain that someone is flying with...

I know everyone has different opinions, and I don't mind discussing them, but you like to quote different things of mine quite often...

You mentioned that I don't care about discussing politics, right. With a wink behind it. Where did I say this other than saying I don't like to discuss it with my husband...?

Then, you broke my sentence up in mid-sentence in order to comment on a part and not the whole. I didn't say that elections aren't important things to talk about either...and no you didn't come right out and say that I did...just insinuated it.

And your comment about me judging everyone so quickly, that wasn't an attack..? give me a break. I specifically said that I can tell by some people's posts who are pro-choice and pro-life, with a few exceptions. I said it is obvious because some people have made it obvious by saying they are pro-choice or by saying they are pro-life....how is that judging someone so fast when I am going be their direct words?

You and I don't have the same opinions on, well, basically everything. It just seems a shame that you just can't let it go.

[SeatClutcher]

Originally Posted by Regina

Yes, it is quite obvious that I am refering to you. Looking back on past posts, I seem to be the target that you like to quote almost every sentence I use and "comment" on it. For instance, this post and the post about not liking a captain that someone is flying with...

I know everyone has different opinions, and I don't mind discussing them, but you like to quote different things of mine quite often...

You mentioned that I don't care about discussing politics, right. With a wink behind it. Where did I say this other than saying I don't like to discuss it with my husband...?

Then, you broke my sentence up in mid-sentence in order to comment on a part and not the whole. I didn't say that elections aren't important things to talk about either...and no you didn't come right out and say that I did...just insinuated it.

And your comment about me judging everyone so quickly, that wasn't an attack..? give me a break. I specifically said that I can tell by some people's posts who are pro-choice and pro-life, with a few exceptions. I said it is obvious because some people have made it obvious by saying they are pro-choice or by saying they are pro-life....

No, you didn't. What you said is quoted in my previous post.

By "judge" I didn't mean in a bad/good or right/wrong way - I meant allowing one thing someone said to give you what you believe to be a true impression of what they think about other things.

about this:

I seem to be the target that you like to quote almost every sentence I use and "comment" on it.

Not really. First, "target" is a loaded and odd word choice, and second, sometimes your posts are long, and sometimes there's a lot to respond to. I don't only disagree with or quote you - I think, for some reason, you just feel like you're given more attention than others, but I don't know why. You've reacted to being disagreed with more than once in a way that suggests you often feel your views or morals are being attacked, so I don't take it personally. (But, it is - you understand - annoying to be told repeatedly that you're attacking someone when you're not.)

The wink was meant in good humor...your post seemed to suggest you didn't see the point in discussing politics, but then you discussed your politics. I thought it was funny.

You're right, though - you didn't say the words "I don't want to talk about politics." I apologize for inferring that was what you meant when you wrote this (which just sounded like a lack of interest, but obviously - like anyone else - I can be wrong):

I think, even if we would not mention politics on here, everyone pretty much knows everyone's political opinions without having a discussion on it.

For instance, abortion...political hot topic, right? Well, I could probably tell you from people's posts who is pro-choice or pro-life. I might be wrong about a few, but for the most part, it is obvious.

I think there was a discussion about how someone's husband voted on Alpa too. That got some comments back....if I am recalling correctly.

No matter how much we discuss it, I doubt anyone's political opinions are going to change. It may show more of a person's personality by discussing what issues are important to them, but I think that is about it.

I read it like,

"Do you want milk?" Henrietta said.

"Even if I drink milk, I'll just be thirsty again later," said Nancy.

[Would you think Nancy wanted milk?]

But - again, I read into it and didn't actually read it. And in type, without expressions or gestures, words on screens can be tricky that way, sometimes. If I was wrong, I was wrong, and I apologize for making an incorrect assumption.

[Kristie]

I thought Elizabeth Edwards was in remission?

[Kristie]

my point isn't to try and spark arguments about politics but to see what your stance is so far (i have no other women here where i live to ask really) and what your thoughts were about the outcome of the Iowa primary... i have no interest in changing anyone's mind because it's most likely not possible.... opinions are very subjective when it comes to matters of politics/religion but that doesn't mean we can't/shouldn't talk bout it in a civil manner without having to worry about repercussions kwim?! the big thing is to just try and keep a cool head about it and not let emotions invade. if we can do that, then we should be able to talk about a lot more topics than aviation and girly items...HAHA

[Kristie]

Originally Posted by spotty4

Mistress Trista may be an "alarmist", but she is BANG ON w/ her thoughts and concerns. This country is headed in a downward spiral ... FAST. China and India are nipping at our heels and will overtake us very quickly!

For me, I need a candidate that supports the following issues:
1. pro choice
2. R & D for the sciences and technology
3. Education

#2 and #3 are all about us attempting to stay in the global race. We're already suffering brain drain: 1.top scientists are leaving the US to do their research elsewhere where rules are less stringent and stifling (e.g. stem cell research) and 2. foreign students come to the US for top notch education, and then take their new found knowledge and skills back to their country ... for some reason we cannot keep them here.

yea... i know what you mean... we have a ton of students coming over, getting their education and going back.. i don't know why myself... seems like the only ones that stay for a while are the India indians but even they end up going back after 5-10 years.

Funny thing is we're having a really hard time trying to find American's to take engineering jobs. I'm not quite sure what's up with that....

but i too would like to see R&D come back, esp with stem cell research now that they can clone an embryo without killing an embryo!! the strides in cures could put us over the top if we were to get ahead of the curve there.

Education is a big factor.. .but honestly, i think that needs to stay with the states. The feds should just allocate a certain amount of funds for the states to use and then the state would set the boundaries for the funds etc. No child left behind is obviously not working federally so it should be handed to the state so each state can take care of it's own!

Abortion is always a hot topic with women but it's not the end all be all for me... granted, i do take it into account but i'm more concerned right now with our economics.. making sure we don't get into a depression considering our debt load and making sure our dollar comes back up and we stop being a laughing stock since our federal govt still thinks we're the "worlds leaders"....not so much anymore, we're not and if we keep going this route, we will lose that status. i also want to make sure we do not go into another war for the sheer hell of it. we need our guys back home training and helping our OWN country get back what it's lost!

[Kristie]

Just to make sure the definition of "attack" and "personal attack" is understood...

if someone "attacks" you.. it means they called you a name or told you to "STFU" or "your an ass", or "you're an MFer" or an *actual* verbal attack to your person.

if someone disagrees with your view or wants to quote you and respond back or if your spurring back and forth... that is not an attack. it's a debate, a disagreement, an arguement or what not.. but it is not an attack TO your person.

This definition on the board of the word "personal attack" will never stray from the above (it's not subjective and isn't up for a vote)...it's how the board is run. mmmkay?

if there is an attack, then the post should be reported (see the yellow and red cards? on the left side near the bottom of each post?) and i'll decide whether or not it should be dealt with...

but i have never seen anyone "personally attack" anyone here by calling them a name, using four letter languages etc or calling them out.

so use the word "attack" and "personal attack" very carefully...please!

[Kristie]

Originally Posted by Regina

Yes, it is quite obvious that I am refering to you. Looking back on past posts, I seem to be the target that you like to quote almost every sentence I use and "comment" on it. For instance, this post and the post about not liking a captain that someone is flying with...

I know everyone has different opinions, and I don't mind discussing them, but you like to quote different things of mine quite often...

believe it or not, i find quoting a post very helpful in making sure the conversation stays with the person i'm quoting. pulling pieces of a paragraph apart also helps in staying with certain conversation... it's not because she's trying to pull apart your words, it's because she's trying to answer, clarify or as questions of them in an orderly and methodical manner. know what i mean? she (and sometimes I) do that quite a bit...

[ccbegay]

Originally Posted by Kristie

yea... i know what you mean... we have a ton of students coming over, getting their education and going back.. i don't know why myself... seems like the only ones that stay for a while are the India indians but even they end up going back after 5-10 years.

seriously, over half of my classes are foreign students...and some of them are even still trying to learn english!

Originally Posted by Kristie

but i too would like to see R&D come back, esp with stem cell research now that they can clone an embryo without killing an embryo!! the strides in cures could put us over the top if we were to get ahead of the curve there.

I would love to work with stem cell research, there are countless hidden 'answers' that could be worked with...blonde question, "R&D?" research & development?

Originally Posted by Kristie

Education is a big factor.. .but honestly, i think that needs to stay with the states. The feds should just allocate a certain amount of funds for the states to use and then the state would set the boundaries for the funds etc.

Education is really a huge factor, just think how better off we might be if education was really pushed...

Was watching news yesterday at the gym, and I think it was FoxNews was 'glad' to see a different face in the front runners, and how tiresome it's getting to see Bush/Clinton/Clinton/Bush/Bush...We need a new face, and to me Obama fits