Comair Crash - Page 2

ASACRJwife · 08-27-2006, 06:30 PM

First off, God Bless the families of the passengers on the Comair flight. Our prayers and best wishes are with you all and with the first officer of the flight.

Given that I was just at Bluegrass field on July 28, after having talked with my husband, the runway setup lends itself to be a little confusing. I can easily see how disorienting it could be get lined up on the wrong runway, especially in the dark of the morning. They've resurfaced in the past few weeks also. They're adding on to the terminal to make way for more gates.

Let's also throw in the possibility of reduced rest if that was indeed a factor. I don't know how many times my husband has come home exhausted after a 16-hour duty day after <10 hours of rest. That 10 hours includes: shutting down the aircraft, walking through the terminal to get to the hotel van, waiting on the hotel van if it's not there yet, taking the 10-30 minute plus trip to the hotel, signing in, getting into the room, taking a shower, getting the uni ready for the next day, getting to sleep, waking up in time the next day for the van, taking the trip back to the airport, doing the pre-flight checks and then boarding the pax. Ok...somebody tell me...just HOW much rest does the crew get on a night like this? And then tack on a 16+ hour 5-leg day as day 3 of a 3-day trip!

Don't get me started on the CDO's!!! I hate them! I will not let my husband fly them because I think they are unsafe. There should be an FAA mandated rest time that is universal to all airline crews that compensates for the incidentals that crews face on a nightly basis. These incidentals are not factored in to crew rest and they should be.

This accident hits a little too close to home since I have become rather familiar with the "mighty RJ" as we call it, since my DH has been flying it for the last 5 years.

Godspeed Comair 5191.

lucky81698 · 08-27-2006, 07:14 PM

The FAA does mandate rest periods. The min rest is 8 hours, which is usually 15 minutes (debrief time) after block in. I guess they expect the crews to vaporize themselves from the jetway to their hotel beds. CDO's are legal because technically the rest period was during the day. So if they show up at 9pm do a one hour flight starting at 10pm, land at 11pm then show up again at 530am for a 6am flight then fly for 1 hour then they go off duty at say 715 am considering the debrief, they are really only on duty for 10 hours 15 minutes. Then their rest period would start at 715am and if they did the same thing that night they would have 13 hours 45 minutes of rest. It's like having a 5 hour sit time during the day but they go to a hotel instead of sitting in the airport. That's how they claim it is legal. I think it is way beyond safe and complete nonsense to have these types of schedules. Some of the pairings at CAL, while not CDO's I think they are less than safe too. For instance doing the early flight from EWR-PHX getting into PHX around 10am then going out that same night at 10pm back to EWR. I don't know anyone that would want to do that and if DH gets one of those I have always changed it.
Anyway, back to the Comair flight, I saw some stuff on other message boards saying the crew actually got in on Friday night and had a 28 hour overnight. Guess it's all speculation until the offically say how long the crew had for a rest period. Has anyone seen any info about the condition of the FO?

roz · 08-27-2006, 07:27 PM

They resurfaced it last weekend, put in new markers. The Jepps are not up to date as a result. If there were a combination of factors--sudden heavy rain, dark, inactive runway lit, new markings, etc an error could have been made. It's so really, really sad.

Kristie · 08-27-2006, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by roz

In one interview, they said the crew came in at 11:55 PM last night--could that be possible? Local radar (not national) picked up a dying storm that was directly over the airport at the time of takeoff also with a heavy downpour and downward burst of air.

doug was telling me earlier that comair does a lot of continuous duty flying.

lucky81698 · 08-27-2006, 08:49 PM

Kristie,
Normally CDOs are done from the base back to the base. Comair doesn't have a crew base in ATL.

roz · 08-27-2006, 09:21 PM

They came in Friday night.

jen510 · 08-28-2006, 08:04 AM

my dh is a comair captain.... he wasn't flying this weekend.

UPSwife · 08-28-2006, 03:01 PM

This is an update on the crash victims from The Curier-Journal today. I tried to copy and paste it, but it was too long to fit. It just makes you realize what the families must be going through.

Link: http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/...WS01/308280013

Jan · 08-29-2006, 01:14 AM

It's so very sad. All our thoughts and prayers go out to the families.

Bigsweetie · 08-29-2006, 01:15 PM

Oh, how terrible.
I think the saddest part of that article was the 16 year old who's mother put her on the earlier flight to take a later one herself. God, i can't imagine how that mother feels now. I bet she'd give anything to have switched flights with her daughter.

It's truly sad for everyone involved!!

08-27-2006, 06:30 PM	#11 (permalink)
ASACRJwife Jetgirls Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Douglasville, GA USA Posts: 87 Recipes: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Comair Crash First off, God Bless the families of the passengers on the Comair flight. Our prayers and best wishes are with you all and with the first officer of the flight. Given that I was just at Bluegrass field on July 28, after having talked with my husband, the runway setup lends itself to be a little confusing. I can easily see how disorienting it could be get lined up on the wrong runway, especially in the dark of the morning. They've resurfaced in the past few weeks also. They're adding on to the terminal to make way for more gates. Let's also throw in the possibility of reduced rest if that was indeed a factor. I don't know how many times my husband has come home exhausted after a 16-hour duty day after <10 hours of rest. That 10 hours includes: shutting down the aircraft, walking through the terminal to get to the hotel van, waiting on the hotel van if it's not there yet, taking the 10-30 minute plus trip to the hotel, signing in, getting into the room, taking a shower, getting the uni ready for the next day, getting to sleep, waking up in time the next day for the van, taking the trip back to the airport, doing the pre-flight checks and then boarding the pax. Ok...somebody tell me...just HOW much rest does the crew get on a night like this? And then tack on a 16+ hour 5-leg day as day 3 of a 3-day trip! Don't get me started on the CDO's!!! I hate them! I will not let my husband fly them because I think they are unsafe. There should be an FAA mandated rest time that is universal to all airline crews that compensates for the incidentals that crews face on a nightly basis. These incidentals are not factored in to crew rest and they should be. This accident hits a little too close to home since I have become rather familiar with the "mighty RJ" as we call it, since my DH has been flying it for the last 5 years. Godspeed Comair 5191. __________________ Stacey Wife to my DH, an ASA CRJ CA and Mom to Andrew (2/04) and Alexis (8/07)

08-27-2006, 07:14 PM	#12 (permalink)
lucky81698 Jetgirls Ol' School Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: 1 Posts: 868 Recipes: Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Comair Crash The FAA does mandate rest periods. The min rest is 8 hours, which is usually 15 minutes (debrief time) after block in. I guess they expect the crews to vaporize themselves from the jetway to their hotel beds. CDO's are legal because technically the rest period was during the day. So if they show up at 9pm do a one hour flight starting at 10pm, land at 11pm then show up again at 530am for a 6am flight then fly for 1 hour then they go off duty at say 715 am considering the debrief, they are really only on duty for 10 hours 15 minutes. Then their rest period would start at 715am and if they did the same thing that night they would have 13 hours 45 minutes of rest. It's like having a 5 hour sit time during the day but they go to a hotel instead of sitting in the airport. That's how they claim it is legal. I think it is way beyond safe and complete nonsense to have these types of schedules. Some of the pairings at CAL, while not CDO's I think they are less than safe too. For instance doing the early flight from EWR-PHX getting into PHX around 10am then going out that same night at 10pm back to EWR. I don't know anyone that would want to do that and if DH gets one of those I have always changed it. Anyway, back to the Comair flight, I saw some stuff on other message boards saying the crew actually got in on Friday night and had a 28 hour overnight. Guess it's all speculation until the offically say how long the crew had for a rest period. Has anyone seen any info about the condition of the FO?

08-27-2006, 07:27 PM	#13 (permalink)
roz Jetgirls Ol' School Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 2,252 Recipes: Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Comair Crash They resurfaced it last weekend, put in new markers. The Jepps are not up to date as a result. If there were a combination of factors--sudden heavy rain, dark, inactive runway lit, new markings, etc an error could have been made. It's so really, really sad.

08-27-2006, 08:49 PM	#15 (permalink)
lucky81698 Jetgirls Ol' School Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: 1 Posts: 868 Recipes: Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Comair Crash Kristie, Normally CDOs are done from the base back to the base. Comair doesn't have a crew base in ATL.

08-27-2006, 09:21 PM	#16 (permalink)
roz Jetgirls Ol' School Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 2,252 Recipes: Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Comair Crash They came in Friday night.

08-28-2006, 08:04 AM	#17 (permalink)
jen510 Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: indiana Posts: 7 Recipes: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Comair Crash my dh is a comair captain.... he wasn't flying this weekend.

08-28-2006, 03:01 PM	#18 (permalink)
UPSwife Jetgirls Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 315 Recipes: Thanks: 1 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Updated list of crash victims This is an update on the crash victims from The Curier-Journal today. I tried to copy and paste it, but it was too long to fit. It just makes you realize what the families must be going through. Link: http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/...WS01/308280013

08-29-2006, 01:14 AM	#19 (permalink)
Jan Jetgirls Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 26 Recipes: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Comair Crash It's so very sad. All our thoughts and prayers go out to the families.

08-29-2006, 01:15 PM	#20 (permalink)
Bigsweetie Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Clinton Township, Michigan Posts: 1,561 Recipes: Thanks: 8 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Comair Crash Oh, how terrible. I think the saddest part of that article was the 16 year old who's mother put her on the earlier flight to take a later one herself. God, i can't imagine how that mother feels now. I bet she'd give anything to have switched flights with her daughter. It's truly sad for everyone involved!!

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