GoJet?

[madlibs]

Well, good luck to him, I guess.
The argument, "You can't blame a guy for trying to feed his family" is the oldest and saddest of the "excuses" for going to GoJet. Sorry to be harsh, but it's the way it is. I may be in the minority on THIS board, but I'm certainly not alone in this thinking elsewhere. Actually, there are PLENTY of other options instead of going to GoJet. (And I recently moved from STL, so I know this firsthand.) Just like Kristie said, "there are lots of jobs other than gojets....he does not *have* to fly for an airline." There are more than a few pilots out of work right now. More than a few in this horrible situation. Why are there still empty classes at GoJet? Because these pilots realize that going to an alter-ego airline is NEVER the right answer.

That flying should have been Trans States pilots' flying. Instead, they (TSA management) created an alter-ego airline to completely screw over the pilot group. And, anyone who goes there IS also directly screwing the pilot group at Trans States. Going there will not be forgotten. It will follow anyone who tries to get a job with another airline somewhere down the road. Perhaps there are some (and I mean very few) in the aviation world that are unfamiliar with GoJet, but those people will retire one day, and be replaced with other pilots who are all too familiar with the situation. Perhaps they'll be Trans States pilots! Perhaps they'll be on the hiring board.

I wish I'd seen this post before, but I haven't been able to get online much. I could have told you the problems GoJet pilots have getting on other aircraft. How they literally HIDE their badges walking through O'hare. How people go OUT of their way to screw them over. How they get the middle finger more than several times a day. How they're "stepped on" on the radio. How other crews try to get the hotel van to leave them at the airport. How they are still, today, called "scabs" by many pilots. (Yes, by definition they are not true scabs. But they're close enough.) Certainly not the life I'd want, but if you think it's the only way to feed your family, more power to you.

Want to see how other pilots are feeling about GoJet right NOW? Click here, and read for yourself. http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/regional/28747-more-transstates-furloughing-5.html This is definitely not "old news," nor is it forgotten.

Again, I'm sorry if you think this is mean or harsh. Me saying (or typing this, I should say) won't be the last time you hear these sentiments. For someone who doesn't have time to "wait it out," he should be most concerned with having a sparkling, crystal clear record. (Unless, of couse he wants to make a career of GoJet.)

Oh, one other thing I just thought of. More than a few airlines post a list of "potential interviewees" in crewrooms. Pilots at the company are then able to say "yea" or "nay" to those pilots getting interviews. Guess what happens to GoJet pilots? GoJet pilots are well known. The "scab list" is published, and my husband, (as well as many other pilots), has a copy.

[danish1978]

Originally Posted by Kristie

i disagree on the comment about too much time with too few brain cells. I think you need to understand that a lot of the folks that are telling him that gojets isn't going to "help" him future wise are guys/gals that have been involved in the industry a LOT longer than he has and they have more experience regarding situations like this. If ya'll don't want to listen, that's fine with me....it's not my decision to make, my family doesn't have to hold that burden, your family does....but it's quite unfair and unprofessional to insult anyone (including myself considering my hubby is one of the guys who has told him it's not a good idea) with comments like that. Doug has 10+ years of experience in pax flying, i think he knows what he's talking about as he was there on the sidelines watching when it all went down (as was I). it was quite obvious at the time as to what was occurring.

we're all just trying to help you out, so he doesn't get caught up in something that *might* affect ya'll in the future. don't agree, that's fine, you're not hurting my feelings at all because again, i don't have to carry that burden.

I get what you are saying, and actually Doug hasn't said anything to dh regarding gojet (dh isn't airwillie or slep8 for example) I should have clarified that he's gotten words of advice from those who have flown around the block a few times. The hasseling is coming from 23 and 24 year old kids with less seniority than him..........that is who I'm calling idiots.

[TheWife]

I wish I'd seen this post before, but I haven't been able to get online much. I could have told you the problems GoJet pilots have getting on other aircraft. How they literally HIDE their badges walking through O'hare. How people go OUT of their way to screw them over. How they get the middle finger more than several times a day. How they're "stepped on" on the radio. How other crews try to get the hotel van to leave them at the airport. How they are still, today, called "scabs" by many pilots. (Yes, by definition they are not true scabs. But they're close enough.) Certainly not the life I'd want, but if you think it's the only way to feed your family, more power to you.

Regardless of what a person thinks of GoJets, to actually harass another human being over that decision is very inappropriate and I would very ashamed of my husband if he were to ever treat another person in that manner over a career decision the person had made!

[madlibs]

Originally Posted by TheWife

Regardless of what a person thinks of GoJets, to actually harass another human being over that decision is very inappropriate and I would very ashamed of my husband if he were to ever treat another person in that manner over a career decision the person had made!

HA! Well, luckily for you, you're not married to one of "those" pilots.

[danish1978]

Originally Posted by madlibs

Well, good luck to him, I guess.
The argument, "You can't blame a guy for trying to feed his family" is the oldest and saddest of the "excuses" for going to GoJet. Sorry to be harsh, but it's the way it is. I may be in the minority on THIS board, but I'm certainly not alone in this thinking elsewhere. Actually, there are PLENTY of other options instead of going to GoJet. (And I recently moved from STL, so I know this firsthand.) Just like Kristie said, "there are lots of jobs other than gojets....he does not *have* to fly for an airline." There are more than a few pilots out of work right now. More than a few in this horrible situation. Why are there still empty classes at GoJet? Because these pilots realize that going to an alter-ego airline is NEVER the right answer.

That flying should have been Trans States pilots' flying. Instead, they (TSA management) created an alter-ego airline to completely screw over the pilot group. And, anyone who goes there IS also directly screwing the pilot group at Trans States. Going there will not be forgotten. It will follow anyone who tries to get a job with another airline somewhere down the road. Perhaps there are some (and I mean very few) in the aviation world that are unfamiliar with GoJet, but those people will retire one day, and be replaced with other pilots who are all too familiar with the situation. Perhaps they'll be Trans States pilots! Perhaps they'll be on the hiring board.

I wish I'd seen this post before, but I haven't been able to get online much. I could have told you the problems GoJet pilots have getting on other aircraft. How they literally HIDE their badges walking through O'hare. How people go OUT of their way to screw them over. How they get the middle finger more than several times a day. How they're "stepped on" on the radio. How other crews try to get the hotel van to leave them at the airport. How they are still, today, called "scabs" by many pilots. (Yes, by definition they are not true scabs. But they're close enough.) Certainly not the life I'd want, but if you think it's the only way to feed your family, more power to you.

Want to see how other pilots are feeling about GoJet right NOW? Click here, and read for yourself. http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/regional/28747-more-transstates-furloughing-5.html This is definitely not "old news," nor is it forgotten.

Again, I'm sorry if you think this is mean or harsh. Me saying (or typing this, I should say) won't be the last time you hear these sentiments. For someone who doesn't have time to "wait it out," he should be most concerned with having a sparkling, crystal clear record. (Unless, of couse he wants to make a career of GoJet.)

Oh, one other thing I just thought of. More than a few airlines post a list of "potential interviewees" in crewrooms. Pilots at the company are then able to say "yea" or "nay" to those pilots getting interviews. Guess what happens to GoJet pilots? GoJet pilots are well known. The "scab list" is published, and my husband, (as well as many other pilots), has a copy.

Ok, now that just sounds like a thinly veiled threat, which is not appreicated or neccessary. Where is this so called scab list? The original gojet pilots were scabs, however the TSA furloughees should not be lumped into that group.
DH is 37 with no retirement, previous military time and he has given me and dd so much that for him to not be able to fly would be akin to him asking me to stop breathing. Unless there are NO other flying options with his total time that will allow us to stay in stl, it's either gojets or he rides a desk and I see all the joy dissapear from his face. When thinking about the quality of life for our family as a whole, GoJets seems like a much better option.

What good is a clean sparkling record if nobody else is hiring? And we all know it's about to get alot worse before it gets better, if it ever does. I used to be a union rep for my old job, and I dont' consider gojet pilots scabs. Look up the definition of the word "scab" before throwing stones. I agree that what Hulas did was crappy, but I'm not going homeless or without food so DH can prove some idiotic point........and I'm not asking him to take a desk job while there is still a chance of him flying (and we cannot make ends meet on a cfi salary).

[madlibs]

Originally Posted by danish1978

Ok, now that just sounds like a thinly veiled threat, which is not appreicated or neccessary. Where is this so called scab list?

It circulates Trans States ALL the time. Everyone has a copy of it. How could this possibly be a threat???? Seriously? WHAT? I'm simply telling you it's out there, and other pilots WILL know about him going to GoJet.

Originally Posted by danish1978

What good is a clean sparkling record if nobody else is hiring? And we all know it's about to get alot worse before it gets better, if it ever does. I used to be a union rep for my old job, and I dont' consider gojet pilots scabs. Look up the definition of the word "scab" before throwing stones.

Did you read my post? I said they're not true scabs. You want to get mad at me, so be it. I don't really care. I'm telling you what people are calling them.

[madlibs]

Originally Posted by Kristie

If ya'll don't want to listen, that's fine with me....it's not my decision to make, my family doesn't have to hold that burden, your family does....but it's quite unfair and unprofessional to insult anyone

we're all just trying to help you out, so he doesn't get caught up in something that *might* affect ya'll in the future. don't agree, that's fine, you're not hurting my feelings at all because again, i don't have to carry that burden.

EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY.

[danish1978]

Originally Posted by madlibs

It circulates Trans States ALL the time. Everyone has a copy of it. How could this possibly be a threat???? Seriously? WHAT? I'm simply telling you it's out there, and other pilots WILL know about him going to GoJet.




Did you read my post? I said they're not true scabs. You want to get mad at me, so be it. I don't really care. I'm telling you what people are calling them.

My apologies, I missed that in your post (scabs part). Not really a threat, but dh is a TSA furlougee and he never saw "the list" and never flew with anyone who had "the list" (and he asked around). So- I'll believe it when I see it. I don't mean to offend at all, and I apologize for possibly sounding like a smart%^*, but please understand that this is my dh people are hasseling, and I don't get that pack mentality. As far as him "stabbing his brother pilots in the back", where were his "bros" when people more senior to him were flying opentime not contract, thus contributing to his furlough?

[lucky81698]

I'm sorry your DH is being hassled, but from the earlier posts on this thread, surely you both knew that was almost certain happen?

Jan

[roz]

My husband doesn't like the circumstances he is in either. But he's not considering jumping to a carrier like GoJet. He's carefully considering his options and taking his time to do it correctly.

We are not all 24 year olds with too much time and too few brain cells telling you this--my husband has been flying since 1980. So, it can be construed as insulting when you say that.

In fact, DH told me tonight a GoJet pilot was trying to jumpseat. But they had a "weight and balance" problem and denied his request.

Can a GoJet pilot get hired elsewhere? Yes and no. I saw some in legacy classes this past year. But all will be furloughed soon, I think. And there are other airlines that post the list of applicants for their current pilot ranks to determine disqualification.

My niece in California is married to a published mathematician. Due to budget constraints he lost his job last year at the school where he taught. It's a relatively remote area with no other schools within reasonable commuting distance. He had no trouble finding a job at Home Depot in the garden center (another area of interest to him). In fact, they discovered that he knew so much about the subject matter, and was a teacher that they use him for their classes they offer to the public. Now he has an offer for a teaching position at the local university. It took more than a year, but he did it and worked at Home Depot in the interim. Good for him.

I disagree with the argument that we could blame those just out of flight school. They are the ones who probably have no clue. Those who are older and willingly accept offers from GoJet know what they are joining. And they know the consequences. If you are willing to accept that, sobeit.

Your husband is only 37. He has 28 years (in the current scheme) to go. That is a lifetime! Surely he does not intend GoJet to be his career. But, he is taking steps to ensure that.

Good luck to you in whatever you decide. I do wish you the best.