Mesa versus Skywest? - Page 2

Amanda · 07-09-2007, 02:32 PM

Well how about this for timing. Nick just received a notice at his parents' house that Mesa tried to deliver a certified letter. No doubt itis the training money they want. I was hoping... praying that it would fall through the cracks somehow. Nick clarified that he did get his vacation paid out but they held his last paycheck. He doesn't have access to the Mesa employee system anymore and doesn't think he can prove they held his last check. Is it legal to hold a check?

We are both sick over this. Money is constantly going out, but not as much is coming in. What a tough year this is.
The training contract will cost us several thousand dollars to pay back.

rgphib · 07-09-2007, 02:43 PM

Wow Amanda! I can't believe Mesa does that! That is really crappy.

roz · 07-09-2007, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Amanda

He doesn't have access to the Mesa employee system anymore and doesn't think he can prove they held his last check. Is it legal to hold a check?

We are both sick over this. Money is constantly going out, but not as much is coming in. What a tough year this is.
The training contract will cost us several thousand dollars to pay back.

Well there are a couple of competing issues. Their CBA could permit holding the last check. That supercedes wage and hour laws. If it is silent, then there are two others. Arizona law allows employers to hold a check if there is a "reasonable" dispute--whatever that is. But the federal Fair Labor Standards Act prohibits an employer from paying less than minimum wage. Taking his entire check reduces his hourly rate to $0 which is below the minimum wage.

But you have to start with the CBA.

It seems like indentured servitude. You're always training for something, so the cycle starts again for another year!

Kristie · 07-09-2007, 08:16 PM

how long was the contract for? i would have thought if he'd stayed over a year, he was no longer obligated.. and he was there for 3 years?!

roz · 07-09-2007, 08:29 PM

Mesa's contract is for one year--but they get you for each training. So, new hire training= 1 year; transition to another plane = 1 year; upgrade= 1 year, etc. It's indentured servitude. That's why they are a bottom feeder!

ace12 · 07-09-2007, 09:25 PM

On that training contract/payback issue, does anyone know if the major airlines tend to do that- specifically United? I may be putting the cart before the horse, but that seems to be a recurrent theme in this relationship

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roz · 07-09-2007, 09:49 PM

Not that I know of--but if it means anything there's a slot open at United because DH's cousin is not going back. He said it was so bad pre 9/11 and even worse post 9/11. He'd rather be a special ed teacher, come home at 2 PM, work the same schedule as his wife who is a speech pathologist and have a second pension (on top of his military pension from being in the AF 22 years and retiring as a Col.). Plus Tilton has said they are up for sale--so who knows?

amelia · 07-09-2007, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roz

Mesa's contract is for one year--but they get you for each training. So, new hire training= 1 year; transition to another plane = 1 year; upgrade= 1 year, etc. It's indentured servitude. That's why they are a bottom feeder!

I asked DH about it (b/c I was wondering if any of these former Mesa guys have said anything about all this) and he said (well, the former Mesa guys he has talked to lately have said) that the contract is for 2 years. Yuck. It really sucks they have a contract and make you pay for training if you break it.

but I'm not sure if any of them had upgraded or transitioned....I don't think they did, but I never asked him that.

Kristie · 07-09-2007, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roz

Mesa's contract is for one year--but they get you for each training. So, new hire training= 1 year; transition to another plane = 1 year; upgrade= 1 year, etc. It's indentured servitude. That's why they are a bottom feeder!

WOW, that royally stinks and it's wrong....

christykay · 07-09-2007, 11:32 PM

I know that Air Wisconsin is employing several former Mesa and SkyWest pilots.

Very interesting about the training contract. I had heard that Mesa had a training contract, but I didn't realize that it was for each new training. YIKES!! Is that spelled out and signed before each new training begins?

07-09-2007, 02:32 PM	#11 (permalink)
Amanda Jetgirls Plus Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PHL suburbs Posts: 2,191 Recipes: Thanks: 12 Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts	Re: Mesa versus Skywest? Well how about this for timing. Nick just received a notice at his parents' house that Mesa tried to deliver a certified letter. No doubt itis the training money they want. I was hoping... praying that it would fall through the cracks somehow. Nick clarified that he did get his vacation paid out but they held his last paycheck. He doesn't have access to the Mesa employee system anymore and doesn't think he can prove they held his last check. Is it legal to hold a check? We are both sick over this. Money is constantly going out, but not as much is coming in. What a tough year this is. The training contract will cost us several thousand dollars to pay back. __________________ Amanda Loving wife of Nick, an Int'l FO for Continental flying the 757/767 based in EWR! We're expecting baby #1 on May 30, 2009!

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rgphib Jetgirls Ol' School Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NH Posts: 877 Recipes: Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Mesa versus Skywest? Wow Amanda! I can't believe Mesa does that! That is really crappy. __________________ ~Robyn~ Wife to a new Southwest FO....and Mommy to Jack!

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Kristie Admin/Owner Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona Posts: 6,727 Recipes: Thanks: 7 Thanked 18 Times in 18 Posts	Re: Mesa versus Skywest? how long was the contract for? i would have thought if he'd stayed over a year, he was no longer obligated.. and he was there for 3 years?! __________________ www.jetcareers.com

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roz Jetgirls Ol' School Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 2,311 Recipes: Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Mesa versus Skywest? Mesa's contract is for one year--but they get you for each training. So, new hire training= 1 year; transition to another plane = 1 year; upgrade= 1 year, etc. It's indentured servitude. That's why they are a bottom feeder!

07-09-2007, 09:25 PM	#16 (permalink)
ace12 Jetgirls Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 79 Recipes: Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Mesa versus Skywest? On that training contract/payback issue, does anyone know if the major airlines tend to do that- specifically United? I may be putting the cart before the horse, but that seems to be a recurrent theme in this relationship.

07-09-2007, 09:49 PM	#17 (permalink)
roz Jetgirls Ol' School Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 2,311 Recipes: Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Mesa versus Skywest? Not that I know of--but if it means anything there's a slot open at United because DH's cousin is not going back. He said it was so bad pre 9/11 and even worse post 9/11. He'd rather be a special ed teacher, come home at 2 PM, work the same schedule as his wife who is a speech pathologist and have a second pension (on top of his military pension from being in the AF 22 years and retiring as a Col.). Plus Tilton has said they are up for sale--so who knows?

07-09-2007, 11:32 PM	#20 (permalink)
christykay Jetgirls Ol' School Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: S. Carolina y'all Posts: 805 Recipes: Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Mesa versus Skywest? I know that Air Wisconsin is employing several former Mesa and SkyWest pilots. Very interesting about the training contract. I had heard that Mesa had a training contract, but I didn't realize that it was for each new training. YIKES!! Is that spelled out and signed before each new training begins?

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